We publish today all the lettters from the GMB union about the Unite leadership's attempts to de-recognise the GMB for Unite emplotyees.4th August, click here
"I am writing to make clear that any attempt to derecognise the GMB will be fiercely resisted by this Union and our members working for Unite. We believe that the [proposals are a direct attack on the GMB and we will not take part in any ballot or give any credibility to proposals which are a blatant attempt to derecognise the GMB."
18th August, click, here
22nd August, click here
8th September, click here
"The GMB is not going to take part in a beauty contest with a staff association over representation rights. This goes against core trade union principles and our members are rightly outraged that you are proposing such a contest."
i think unite members should have a vote of no confidence against ,gs, woodley and ray fletcher now
ReplyDeleteunite are the only union that wants its employees to work in a closed shop,,,you cannot make it up
ReplyDeleteThroughout this whole de recognition debate, Unite management have attempted to “muddy” the waters. Thanks www.dearunite for posting these letters , which clearly show Unites true intensions. Our leadership should hang their heads in shame!
ReplyDeleteI agree, the issue here is VERY simple . Unites attempt to de-recognise the GMB and its existing bargaining group agreement .
ReplyDeleteFletcher, McCluckey, Woodley and co. have to explain themselves !
As usual the hierarchy have the ostrich syndrome. They just bury their heads in the sand and wait till it all blows over.
ReplyDeleteShame on you all.
We should have a vote of no confidence and show the hierarchy that their dictatorship will not be allowed to carry on
lets not talk about it lets do something about it,,,unite and gmb members and employees who are not happy should protest outside unite offices in the uk,i am up for it,,get the turnips out of power
ReplyDeleteComrades,
ReplyDeleteI think organising for a vote of "no confidence" would be a good start – can we ALL get this raised with Gary Carter ?
i think mc cluskey has been smoking not just the cigars in cuba ,having a nice holiday with all his family on union members money .they are not fit to run a union,hang your heads in shame
ReplyDeleteI agree with the sentiments, but can I ask you to clear one thing up. The letter refers to “Unites attempt”. This is not Unites attempt. I am a Unite member, but this shower doesn't speak for or represent me, and I do not support their stance on this issue. So can you in future refer to them as Unite Senior Management team or specifically name them and their job titles? I know the words management and team is alien to them, but this is nothing to do with Unite members, staff, reps or officers who are in the main Unite
ReplyDeleteGood point, change made
ReplyDeletemc cluskey wants all of the uk to strike,,,,why dont unites employees and members go on strike till woodley ,gs,and tosser ray fletcher leave before they bring down the union
ReplyDeletethere is a nodding dog culture within unite ,because if your face dont fit you are out,,,seen it loads over the years working for them ,its terrible how they treat there own staff
ReplyDeletecomrades,lets get these scum corrupt leaders out by vote of no confidence now,,lets stick together and do it,,,lets round them up,,put then in a field,,and bomb the bastards,,,these are my opinions and my true beliefs
ReplyDeleteComrade ,
ReplyDeleteWhilst I understand your frustration concerning the role of our leadership – I hardly think your approach is practical . In fact, such comments can quite easily play into the hands of the bureaucracy.
We must understand , that we have not yet exposed the true nature of our leadership, to vast majority of the Rank & File membership . This will take time!
However, as suggested in previous emails ( see above) I feel Unite employees ( GMB members) should contact their GMB representatives and discuss next course of action. This will get the ball rolling .
Under no circumstances can we allow this Unite management to de recognise the GMB – our chosen union .
In Solidarity
RS
(Unite employee)
the true nature of our leaders will be clear to all union members and employees soon ,as in the next few weeks its going to be all over the media,there is a big case coming up
ReplyDeleteYou all seem to miss the point about this derecognition. It isn't about the GMB. It is about Amicus.
ReplyDeleteThe former TGWU had a staff association and its leadership was close to Mcluskey and Woodley, one of its officers was based in the Liverpool office. Amicus had an independent union for the staff, the GMB, with some of them represented by an old EETPU branch called EESSA.
By derecognising the GMB, the TGWU leadership will force former Amicus staff to bolt themselves on to the side of the existing TGWU staff association. Its leaders will continue in office and will do little to protect or support ex-Amicus staff as their pay is cut, their conditions cut and they are moved to positions of lower responsibility, which is what is happening to all former Amicus employees with the odd exception.
This is not a political move it is all about tribalism. Everything has been about tribalism right from the start for the TGWU in this rotten merger, the sooner you Amicus people wake up and see this the better.
it will never happen anyway,,fletcher and his wham boys have just shown there true colour,,lets be rid of these oaps now,and give them a one way ticket to cuba
ReplyDeleteAs one of the previous contributors mentioned , UNITE management will “always try to MUDDY the waters” .
ReplyDeleteThe statement above by Josephine Public is a perfect example of this . UNITE management and their stooges repeatedly give the example of the “former TGWU staff association” as an excuse to derecognise the GMB.
Let’s make it very clear . There are many GMB members ( Unite employees) who work as Staff, Officers and the Organisers . THIS IS NOT JUST AN EX-AMICUS ISSUE !
McCluskey and Woodley want to tighten their control over our union . Already , if your face don’t fit – you don’t last long .
If there’s ANYBODY out there who doubts this , ask Fletcher or McCluskey to provide details on the amount of grievances and disciplinaries which have been conducted ( Unite employees) over the last five years. You also might want to check how many Organisers have been “let go” over this period . I think the figures will shock you!!!!
RS
rs,is 100 percent correct and the proof will be public soon
ReplyDeleteIt can ages for dearunite.com to prepare stories we have to check them for libel etc please can you give us an embargoed outline and we will respect the embargo date. And confidentiality. email david@dearunite.com
ReplyDeleteWe can also get the details into mainstream media.
Thanks
sorry david its a ongoing case,will give you all the info gladly at the correct time
ReplyDeleteJosephine public is right. It is about attacking Amicus. Attacking its people, their terms, conditions and their workplaces. They have done Hayes Court and you watch the next thing they will do is sell Esher Place
ReplyDeletecomrades,,,lets ask for an expences report on the fat cats,mc cluskey ,woodley,and ray fletcher,like they did with the corrupt mps
ReplyDeletemore bullying from the hit squad ring up reps 2 twice a week . outlook full access to be given to RCO and all officers 2 ring the RCO 3 time a week and give a report on the 100% targets also a full report on all work that the officers have done in the last 3 months to be produced for Regional sec who in term will report to the death squad time for a change off job
ReplyDeleteEx Bayliss right wing and ex amicus cc. Unite and fight together both feeding from the same trough. You lot sound pathetic and desparate!!Look forward to your "revelations"!
ReplyDeleteOOo, touched a nerve have we....It doesn't matter what group, faction or former section you come from, any of them would be able to see what it is happening here. If “they” are coming together, and I say if they are, what does it say about this leadership when it can piss off so many diverse groups? Our union is full of talented and different people, and so what if they have different views to each other? That's what makes a union, what doesn't make a union is dictators, bullies and a "consultant" on 20k a year after taking a package. Now that's what I call feeding from a trough. Desperate no, I think its quite exciting as I can see a movement growing, so beware those that are close to the Mafia bullying others, what goes around comes around.
ReplyDeleteTHE REVELATIONS,will be in the media soon,fletcher has been a bad bad boy and will answer for his crimes ,or another pay off coming up,lol,,,i am going to blow the unite wham boys to the masses to the public been a officer for 26 years and had enough of the mafia corrupt ways,got proof that will make ledgends
ReplyDeletei have so much to tell the media,,been to loads of units leaving doos,,,no expence spared,,,hang your heads in shame ,,not just mc cluskey ,woodleyb,ray fletcher especially ,but alot of unites officers jumping on the club tropicana freebee mafia,,,i am going to set up a company to end all your corruption,and going to set up a just union ,named fleetwood uk
ReplyDeleteyes comrades ,lets end all the freebee culture on members hard earnt contributions,all the waste of employees and officers and bosses should not be tollerated no more
ReplyDeletecomrades,how can we look our members in the face now,its time to make a stand against the mis goings on of unite
ReplyDeleteJust seen Harry Hill on TV he shouted...
ReplyDelete”Len McCluskey and the public sector strike being the number 1 priority or the other general secretary Tony Woodley and his very expensive organising demands coming first...?
Who will win..."
All together now FIGHT......!
Anon@9.10. No nerve touched. Just heard it all before. Imaginary revelations cooked up with imaginary friends. a load of rubbish. You just hate it because your man lost and you cant now set up a EETPU mark 2 to protect your own privileges!! Altogether now, aahhhhh, shame!!
ReplyDeleteTo be clear Amicus was a very different union to the EEPTU the former T G was much more close to the EPPTU in its style of bully boys style of management and job for the boys
ReplyDeleteHow sad. Deflection, deflection deflection...This is not about what man or woman that lost in an election. This is not about EETPU, AEU, GPMU, UNIFI, MSF OR TGWU. This is about now. Its about a senior management team in Unite, including the chair of the EC who must know about what's going on, who are trying to de-recognise a bargaining group for the purpose of eroding terms and conditions. All this against a backdrop of an ex GS who goes out with 500k and another taking a package whilst the senior management team find the money to employ that same person as a consultant. I don't care about revelations, I assume that any will be defended when leaked and if not, those accused will, as usual,“move on” or those accusing will face a legal challenge or suspension. Finally, see the letters above...they aren't imaginary.
ReplyDeletecomrades,hear hear with above,how many members are they losing to gmb,its backfired so ray fletcher will be paid off at 68 with a golden electric scooter for all his good work for the union,,it makes me sick
ReplyDeleteAnon 6.45
ReplyDeleteYour crystal ball must be working well. Ray Fletcher is to step down as departmental Director at the end of March 2012. Step down to what and with what? Let's see...
yes comrades he might be stepping down,but i am going to shame him in the media before that
ReplyDeletehe will want his freebee holiday to cuba at exmas will the champagne socialists before he takes the golden zimmer frame first,and lavish leaving doos to pat him on the back
ReplyDeleteStill waiting for these 'revelations' and 'nameing and shaming'. Will it be happening sometime soon only I am fed up of waiting?
ReplyDeletevery soon comrade,,calm down
ReplyDeleteIm very, very calm and relaxed comrade. I just dont want us all to die or evolve while you lot make up pretend allegations.
ReplyDeleteif you had any brains you would know we have to try for a compromise agreement before we resort to going to the media,pretend allegations you tosser if you anything of working or the goings on at unite you would know there is nothing pretend going on,its run on mafia guidelines
ReplyDeleteYeah, yeah, yeah.....heard it all before.....
ReplyDeletethats the difference,,,you have heard it all before,,,and we have seen it all before
ReplyDelete.....and you do F all about it!!
ReplyDeletethe other year 2 ladies who worked for unite for over 13 years but where put on when 65 as temp workers fulltime under manpower where told there services where not needed anymore for no reason and where replaced the next day by 2 ex british airways staff ,,,thats how unite works if you work for unite you have no rights at all and keep your head down for fear of being the next to go
ReplyDeleteunite putting 7 million in strike fund for upcoming stike ,only union to do so ,what a joke
ReplyDeleteYes anon@7.26. Really funny. How about not having a strike eh? Idiot!!
ReplyDeletethe proof is in the pudding,,,eh idiot ,watch this space
ReplyDeletei hear that learning officers
ReplyDeleteare next for the chop?
from what heard, its a disgrace
where does that leave members on courses and ULRs?
ReplyDeleteis it getting a service for free again, provided by lay member ULRs ??
Little or no support
Max
employers must be rubbing their hands?
been looking into this last few days.
ReplyDeletehear about 60 people could be facing p45s or face big hits on there pay and T+Cs
any more news on this?
Yeah, its true, they are now attacking the ULO's. Its gone completely over their heads that these ULO's and the ULR's are really good organisers themselves as they build membership upon education and learning agreements. I would much rather have a learning organiser or LR increasing membership on something positive and sustainable, rather than one off conflict issues. Its sad, really sad...
ReplyDeleteThe point about putting 7 million into a strike fund is a good one for two reasons. The first is that McCluskey/Fletcher are saying that there is no money and that's why they have no other choice but to erode terms and conditions. The second is what comes after the 30th? How much will "that" cost? And what other terms, conditions, jobs, and buildings will they attack/sell to fund it?
ReplyDeleteAs I understand it ULR courses will still be run via Unite Education that will not change with regards on-going support this will be Self Employed staff or Contractors if you like some will be the staff that are in exsitance as of now and want Self Employement on reduced Terms and conditions and the the rest is anyones guess
ReplyDeleteIf they are anything like this Fletcher Guy they will not have a trade Union bone in their body.
The members I have spoken to are saying that this Union needs to take a long hard inward look at its self.
I have met some brilliant supportive ULO's and it would be a shame if they were to leave ! our loss someone elses gain
why are unite paying 7 million strike pay,when no other union is
ReplyDeletehow the hell mc cluskey,fletcher and there solicitor pinda sleep on a night i do not know,,they are bringing the union down between them ,,its about time there dealings where put into the media,and not left behind payoffs and threats to unites employees,i am ashamed to work for unite its so corrupt
ReplyDeleteI heard Eastbourne was an Interesting meeting?
ReplyDeleteThe organisation that set the scene on all this re Self employed issue is our friends in Unionlearn!!!! They had a clearout using the same process.
ReplyDeletethe union should get rid of fletcher now,and stop using ead solicitors for advise
ReplyDeletewhat happened at Eastbourne?
ReplyDeleteA couple of SULO's went out for a drink came back worse for wear one decided to throw a chair it is alledged off a balcony or at a guest . I hear he was kicked out the hotel and duly suspeneded after they found him.
ReplyDeleteA cover up has now taken place and he is back at work.
Would this happen in the real world of work?
And he is ex T&G.
Again double standards.
Should this Union re name its self ''SHITETHEUNION''
thats bad news, but i imagine the SULOs are under a lot of pressure. Of course if he was ex Amicus, would he have got off so lightly?
ReplyDeletePressure, my wrinkled up ball bag
ReplyDeleteJumped up Dustbin man should have been dumped
wanker
half the officers i know are having affairs in works time ,or on the golf course ,,some on the other hand are hard working and honest
ReplyDeleteOMG!!!!
ReplyDeleteThis is scary stuff hope no ones watching.
newbee
the comment is about the former TG Officers in NEYH region at a guess The hull/grimsby office in interesting it will be in the public domain at some point due to ongoing legal case
ReplyDeletethe above comment is true but dont think it should be on here at this stage
ReplyDeleteif there is an ongoing legal case we should wait while it gets to court before spilling the beans,,it could effect the case
ReplyDeleteit would be unproffesional and unfair to put anything about an ongoing legal matter until it gets to court,it could affect the case .
ReplyDeleteOh thats how you get on is it!!!
ReplyDeleteMust be doing something wrong
Harassment I believe
ReplyDeleteIs that all , T&G MK2 do all the time and half of them have had there brains removed.
ReplyDeleteAll like nodding donkeys and are so far up each others arse and stabbing each other in the back its exepted as the norm.
Bulling in a Trade Union !!! NEVER I HEAR THE CRY
newbee
its a bit more then harassment,but not correct to comment at this time
ReplyDeleteT@G Mk 2...? There is no such thing. We have a T&G Mk 1
ReplyDeleteGolf x 3 affairs x1 sheffield
ReplyDeleteaffairs x3 Nepotism x 5 Leeds
Nepotism x1 Hull avoiding work x2
cuba x 8 business class
ReplyDeletedoes anyone know what fletcher the TURNIP is doing after march,,is he getting a golden stairlift ,or is he still going to carry on making the union look like knobs
ReplyDeletecomrades our union could save a fortune by having its own in house legal team,and stop filling the pockets of mr pindar and his wham boys at ead solicitors,,back hander bridgade,,these are my opinions and not those of dear unite
ReplyDeletemc cluskey,,john lennon would be ashamed of you,,you are no working class hero you are just a fat cat like the rest now,,bow your head in shame you scum
ReplyDeletewhere are the united left in all this?
ReplyDeleteWould the gazzette group have said nothing about the current state off the union ?
Mayer the so called man off the left where are you
The union talks left but is a bunch off right wing self interested bastard who care nothing for the members time for a new grouping the members must take control back roll on the next GS election
hear hear,roll on next gs election
ReplyDeletefletcher ,woodley and mc cluskey will have to watch there teeth on xmas day ,tucking into there golden turkeys ,paid for by the sweat of there members,,,ho ho ho
ReplyDeleteIts great isn't it. They can try and force the learning organisors to go self employed and yet they can find the money for other things. Can anyone confirm that Woodley may have had a two years salary pay off? And that it may have been paid AFTER he stood down so it wouldn't be shown as a payment to the GS?
ReplyDeletewhy did unite pay 7 million strike pay when no other union did,,,its crazy use of members money
ReplyDeleteEh, how can they make the Learning Organisers Self Employed? Some of them have been employed by the union for 8-10 years?
ReplyDeleteBecause they operate like the mafia, and they don't give a dam. They can find 9k extra a year backdated for two years for their own organising team leaders whilst attacking former Amicus LO's. Equal treatment doesn't matter to them, come on EC, stand up and be counted on this issue!!
ReplyDeleteI would like to know whats going on. How is my union attacking former Amicus LOs?
ReplyDeleteThe former T/G section sub contracted all it work to their learning organizers in effect they were self employed workers saving on pension contribution ans also ensuring that they could get rid off anybody who upset the leadership
ReplyDeleteThe former Amicus people Were fully employed paid pension and enjoyed the same rights as other members off staff We are a trade union and we should treat people respect so on that bases we should employee people full time
So are you saying these people have been employed by Amicus/Unite and are now being told to go onto self employed contracts? And that ex T&G are on s/e contracts? In the Amicus case they can't change contracts without the staff's consent. S/E of course makes life a lot harder!
ReplyDeleteno they were all put on full time contracts 2 years ago they are now all been made redundant and been offered some possible self employed contract
ReplyDeleteI asked before whatever happened to the united left on there web site M MAYER email address's is still got T/G martin.tgw910@talktalk.net do this group ever meet in Yorkshire or is it a secret club
ReplyDeleteor if did meet is Mayer frighted about how might turn up ? History has a strange habit off biting you on the arse
a battle may have been lost but the war still goes on
comrades, unite are worse than some of the worst employers they fight each day
ReplyDeleteAll this stuff about Fletcher got me thinking. He leaves in March 2012, so who is replacing him? I found out its someone called Maria King. Now the question is "who is Maria King?" Surely its not the same Maria King that left her 100k HR post at Islington Council through mutual agreement in Feb 2010...? Hmmmmmmmmm...............
ReplyDeleteyou got it in one
ReplyDeleteI can't f'ing believe it...just google Maria King Islington Council and read the reports...Out of all the HR reps out there looking for work, why pick that one? On the other hand, that's a stupid question isn't it, as people appoint in their own image. Enough said.
ReplyDeletefletcher should have been given a lethal injection years ago,i feel sorry for his wife ,he has shamed our union
ReplyDeletemaria king was suspended from islington council after loads of senior staff resigned over her bullying and harrasment towards them in dec 09,she left feb 2010 through mutual agreement,,,you cannot make it up unite the union employing someone like that ,,is this a sign of things to come .
ReplyDeletecomrades ,no one can be worse than dip shit ,dog breath fletcher
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, but I wish to raise an objection on the behalf of the RSBMTD, Royal Society for Bull Mastiffs with Tooth Decay. I think its really disappointing that you suggest Fletcher's breath is like one of our dogs, they are certainly not that bad.
ReplyDeletehave to agree working with fletcher is bad ,his breath is like death,we nickname him death breath ,he sends us stupid email after email after email ,lol which is better than face to face
ReplyDeletelets stop with the uncomradely, infantile & offensive name calling>
ReplyDeletelets deal with the real issues here.
Personalise them only undermines the real arguments and can then be dismissed away.
hear hear
ReplyDeletereal issues are the leadership of unite are corrupt,,FACT
ReplyDeletelets not get into ex amicus this and that
ReplyDeletecos look at simpson, baylis and now boyd who has swoped sides for bosses club against our members
as soon as maria king takes over in march there are some big changes for unites employees ,for the worst
ReplyDeleteThe king is dead...long live the king
ReplyDeletelets hope our EC block Kings appointment now her past is in public domain!
But people need to protest directly
lets learn from the hirsch nightmare
she cost amicus plenty of members money and unions reputation
so what is simpsom bayliss and boyd doing now ?
ReplyDeletei expect no response ?
maria king starts in jan working alongside fletcher till he steps down in march.
ReplyDeletethey all got a shedload of members money
ReplyDeleteboyd is now co-ordinating and working for the sparky employers against our members. he is aleading light.
baylis is probably working for the building employers?
Boyd did not get any money it news to brain that he is working for anybody Do you the real reasons look no further that the defeat at BA
ReplyDeleteBayliss is not working at all but got the standard VR and has not worked since
Simpson got a shed load off money the same as woodley but refused a seat in the lords
Not defending anybody just the facts
Turner was partly to blame for the defeat at BA. He f'ked up TNT so we had to move him, he f'ked up BA, we had to move him. Now he is been given community members as a platform...God help us.
ReplyDeleteTurner was fully to blame he thinks he will be the next GS
ReplyDeletehow much woodley get?
ReplyDeletesimpson got extra year plus house plus £365,000
plus seat in jacksons armchair
did davisun get a payoff or some perks for services rendered?
ReplyDeleteThe house is the property off the union Simpson got the same deal as woodley got the difference wooddley took his money and continued to work so in effect he is worst in that he remains on the pay roll been paid mega buck for doing nowt.
ReplyDeletethe merger agreement said he would leave the union on his 64 birthday As for Davison ihave no idea i suggest you ask his mate woodhouse
Yep we no house shud go back to union in end but in meantime lives in it for nowt! Can all members get same rent free terms??? As for woodley, not herd that. Are u sure? It made sense for one GS.
ReplyDeletethe deal was for peppercorn rent as pert off him agreeing to move from Sheffield ask woodley about the flat ?
ReplyDeleteWot a poor excuse!
ReplyDeleteWonder how many workers wud get a free house if they moved. insted pleasur of commuting. Wots a peppercorn rent equate to? A quid?
Bayliss should have got sack. Slaging BA workers off, for more patsy deals and dealings with sun
ReplyDeleteits not a free house my understanding it the market rate note you forgot woodleys free flat
ReplyDeleteBayliss should not off said anything
forgot helicopter and gold plated kitchen and rest
ReplyDeletehow can unite help its members when it treats its own employees like filth,its discusting
ReplyDeletewonder if all our leaders are off to cuba with there familys on a freebee holiday again this xmas,,,ho ho ho
ReplyDeleteWho's gonna b next GS?
ReplyDeleteCos dubbins fan club DFC is pulling all the punches at the minute. I hear he's never been elected, been a acountible rep or held lay office???
daddy boy
ReplyDeleteSD is building a fan club and power base. His daddy was a deadly operator. betta than supranos
ReplyDeletewell the number off freebies he has been on would be a very interesting read a right winger to his bones
ReplyDeleteHe says he is now a radical left winger and got his own blog site unite now.
ReplyDeleteThe rumour is that the next GS will come from the west midlands...
ReplyDeleteA right winger?
ReplyDeleteGo flick a coin
I have to tell you nobody is reading these comments any more except me and you, and me only because I run the site. Because commentators on this story are now so rare, although you are anonymous I now know which town you live in from my stats and the time of the comment. Why don't you have a rest and just send me all you have and I'll write it up.
ReplyDeletecomrades we should start listing the freebees we know about within unite,,,or would we be too scared ,lol
ReplyDeletewhich regional secretary has now a flat in there region paid for in full by the union
ReplyDeleteThe former regional secretary was forced by the former GS to pay his own hotel bills
Like the Euro “coin,” that currency has had its day and its time has now passed. Not even those on the right want to promote it. Which region and which former GS are we talking about?
ReplyDeletewoodley NEYH
ReplyDeleteAll sorted now - GMB seats in most regions for staff and nationally
ReplyDeleteFletcher's last day - hurrah