tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post1279862191341917148..comments2023-06-09T11:01:32.111+01:00Comments on dearunite.com: U is for Vendettadbdbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15602110058392281517noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-66352967190498135802011-08-18T21:28:44.802+01:002011-08-18T21:28:44.802+01:00davey hall was one of the good guys in unite,unite...davey hall was one of the good guys in unite,unite and there solicitors are lying scum wasting members money on freebees and holsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-85996923995443104762011-02-23T21:10:44.327+00:002011-02-23T21:10:44.327+00:00Jumped before he was pushed more like it and becau...Jumped before he was pushed more like it and because he did what he did should of went long agoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-89349176241091108502011-01-15T20:31:29.988+00:002011-01-15T20:31:29.988+00:00Mr Hall has resigned.Mr Hall has resigned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-88302169542102052852011-01-09T02:06:35.012+00:002011-01-09T02:06:35.012+00:00dear timkeeper
You might think what you are tryin...dear timkeeper<br /><br />You might think what you are trying to do is very clever but honestly its not. Trying to apply the dearunite exposure method against Jimmy and Des. This sort of thing is not new, Simpson tried it with www.amicusttt.com (Trots Trials and Tribulations) against amicus.cc. No one read it. Your problem is that those of us who fought to get Simpson elected and to change our union, know he sold out and we know though who stayed with their principles and tried to stop him. Their aims always was to better the union, not money. What you don't realise is that not everyone is corrupt. Dearunite.com know that very well (hence the support for Hicks, Des and Jimmy), its just our main job is to expose the corrupt and improve the union. Anyway at least you are not keeping up the personal abuse which is typically the first reaction of the corrupt, so keep trying. Don't know if anyone is reading your stuff though, I've got bored with it.david@dearunite.comhttp://www.dearunite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-38108985458093209002011-01-04T22:41:15.994+00:002011-01-04T22:41:15.994+00:00# January 04, 2011 1:32 PM
Fact No: 1
Jimmy War...# January 04, 2011 1:32 PM <br /><br />Fact No: 1<br />Jimmy Warne was employed as an education officer - key word being officer! <br /><br />Fact No: 2 Regional Officers are also employees of the Union and have contracts of employment like other staff and like members they organise and service.<br /><br />Fact No: 3 Heemskerk took a pay cut to take a very well paid senior job in the press and comminication dept which rather blows apart the criticism of over paid officials.<br /><br />Possibly a fact that Heemskerk and Warne got given cushy jobs on a nod and wink for services rendered in getting their man the top job. If so not very democratic, not very transparent or accountable and very hypocritical........ The TimekeeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-550439305321326082011-01-04T19:15:59.441+00:002011-01-04T19:15:59.441+00:00A good prescriptive description, and you are corre...A good prescriptive description, and you are correct, there is a big difference between being an officer and a member of staff/local rep, but have you overlooked the points being made? Did either Warne or Heemskerk sit a competitive interview for their roles? <br /><br />In all probability, maybe not, I don't know, but I suggest that their appointments would be twofold. One for doing the actually role and second, to support and protect the oligarchy. At some point both must have questioned the direction of it, hence the big falling out. The Watcher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-21297206015330519272011-01-04T13:32:00.927+00:002011-01-04T13:32:00.927+00:00timkeeper which bit do you not understand of the f...timkeeper which bit do you not understand of the following:<br />Jimmy Warne was not an officer of the union who represented workers. He worked in the union education department delivering education courses. Des Heemskerk worked in the communications department issuing press releases and administering campaigns. Cathie Willis worked in the Purchasing Department and had been hounded in that role by the Jackson regime. They were employees of the union not officials. Jerry Hicks turned down a job in the union as a Regional Officer on principle because he stands for election of Officials. Officials represent workers in negotiations with employers and should be accountable to those workers. Employees do not. That is the key difference. Heemskerk, Warne and Willis were not “appointed officials in cushy desk jobs getting fat of the back of members dues”. In fact Heemskerk took a pay cut from his previous job in the motor vehicle industry where he had been an elected Senior Shop Steward. As the Chair and Editor of the Broad Left Amicus Unity Gazette who helped defeat Sir Ken Jackson in 2002 Heemskerk and Warne always supported and defended the principle of elected Officers of the Union. That is why a Tribunal found that they had been unfairly dismissed from their jobs. This was part of a witchhunt to remove those who supported a principled left position from the leadership of the left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-68290235157641696312011-01-04T12:33:09.526+00:002011-01-04T12:33:09.526+00:00So Heemskerk and Warne were child like innocents a...So Heemskerk and Warne were child like innocents and were led like lambs to the slaughter? <br /><br />I don't think so. <br /><br />The were and still are advocates for the elections of officials yet when their man got elected they stuck their noses in the trough by being given and glady accepting well paid appointed jobs by their new lord and master.<br /><br />Funny how their principles went out of the window for a cushy bureaucratic salary. It smacks of hypocrisy and they get upset when it all unravelled.<br /><br />As others on here have commented before whether you like Jerry Hicks or not at least the man stuck by his principles and turned down being given a job and didn't sell out for a few pieces of silver...... The TimekeeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-21825711513494076372011-01-04T10:50:46.634+00:002011-01-04T10:50:46.634+00:00And who were the 'Devils' - 'no Trade ...And who were the 'Devils' - 'no Trade Unionists' - who sanctioned the actions of Simpson? The so-called left (apart from an honourable few) on both the Amicus and T&G Executives who santioned these wrongful dismissals by refusing to reinstate! By and large the same self-serving 'non-Trade Unionists' who are now seeking re-election to the Unite Executive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-63505532302908368832011-01-04T01:59:04.495+00:002011-01-04T01:59:04.495+00:00but at that time simpson was the solution not the ...but at that time simpson was the solution not the problem (jackson)and the principles were good ones. simpson betrayed them, no souls were sold except his, bayliss having already signed up to hell. if youre never shocked and surprised when a leader sells out you will never support any changespeaking clocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-8511282137007702262011-01-03T18:09:48.962+00:002011-01-03T18:09:48.962+00:00The point is that Heemskerk and Warne sold their p...The point is that Heemskerk and Warne sold their principles and their souls to the devil and then come across all shocked and surprised when it all went wrong.... The TimekeeperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-44998769049743695752011-01-03T12:12:14.309+00:002011-01-03T12:12:14.309+00:00No certainly not...no trade unionist would condone...No certainly not...no trade unionist would condone such behaviour. The point being made was oligarchies, left or right, appoint in their own image...The WatcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-63967945673943254092011-01-02T19:13:35.991+00:002011-01-02T19:13:35.991+00:00To the Watcher,
So do you agree that Jimmy Warne, ...To the Watcher,<br />So do you agree that Jimmy Warne, Des Heemskerk, Cathie Willis and Marian Stokes should all have been witch hunted out of their jobs then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-79651007073333521122010-12-30T23:34:31.899+00:002010-12-30T23:34:31.899+00:00come on, lets get real
lets look at davison - a s...come on, lets get real<br /><br />lets look at davison - a so called lay member who has been on the gravy train for years<br /><br />he has had benefit of being a tutor for union courses<br /><br />a seriel traveller and globe trotter<br /><br />a fantasist<br /><br />simpsons and bayliss bag carriar and lackey<br /><br />on the nec for years despite not representing anyone but his paymasters<br /><br />its time he was oustedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-44546857438777386242010-12-30T01:12:16.736+00:002010-12-30T01:12:16.736+00:00the equalpay story was covered by amicus.cc here I...the equalpay story was covered by amicus.cc <a href="http://www.btinternet.com/~davidbeaumont/msf/index.html#equalpay" rel="nofollow">here</a> It was Sept 2006. Jimmy was sacked in March 2006. The equal pay claim and dismissal letters were nothing to do with Jimmy it was straightforward sex discrimination and bullying by a union.david@dearunite.comhttp://www.dearunite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-26915787712134100282010-12-29T21:11:22.705+00:002010-12-29T21:11:22.705+00:00Warne was given a job in education, but he mostly ...Warne was given a job in education, but he mostly “educated” shop stewards on stage 1 courses. This didn't go down well with other tutors who had to teach all courses and believed they had the ability to do so, (do you remember the equal pay claims and dismissal letters?)... Access to stage 1 stewards can be useful if you want to teach stewards to think politically...especially if that falls in line with what you want them to think. Finally, my own lesson, for those that invite someone into your own bed don't be surprised if s/he gives you a good f******, and to those that choose to climb into the bed, don't be surprised if s/he returns the compliment...<br /><br />The WatcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-78870740550603989842010-12-29T19:04:59.420+00:002010-12-29T19:04:59.420+00:00So Jimmy Warne wasn't the regional education o...So Jimmy Warne wasn't the regional education officer then, because that is what the position he had is called in Unite? Its well paid and if Mr Warne had any principles like Jerry Hicks he would have turned down the appointment as he to believes in the election of officer positions.<br /><br />Des Heemskerk had a cushy job in the press and communication department which was and is well paid. You seem to know so much can you tell us a person in that department now earns? <br /><br />True its not a officers position but its seen as a senior staff position and we really are playing semantics here if we are going to take the elections of officials line as this job is very influential and if you believe in this kind of democracy should also be elected by members.<br /><br />Many in the Union felt when Heemskerk got the job it was kick back for getting his man Derek Simpson elected.<br /><br />God know what Heemskerk was on before but it does show that the over paid officials jibe is a bit of a red herring.Against revision of the factsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-67407007589988270592010-12-27T15:50:00.558+00:002010-12-27T15:50:00.558+00:00If you think this is bad then hold your breath for...If you think this is bad then hold your breath for whats to come. This year will not be a good one for Unite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-88329561664000451142010-12-26T16:19:52.113+00:002010-12-26T16:19:52.113+00:00Jimmy Warne was not an officer of the union who re...Jimmy Warne was not an officer of the union who represented workers. He worked in the union education department delivering education courses. Des Heemskerk worked in the communications department issuing press releases and administering campaigns. Cathie Willis worked in the Purchasing Department and had been hounded in that role by the Jackson regime. They were employees of the union not officials. Jerry Hicks turned down a job in the union as a Regional Officer on principle because he stands for election of Officials. Officials represent workers in negotiations with employers and should be accountable to those workers. Employees do not. That is the key difference. Heemskerk, Warne and Willis were not “appointed officials in cushy desk jobs getting fat of the back of members dues”. In fact Heemskerk took a pay cut from his previous job in the motor vehicle industry where he had been an elected Senior Shop Steward. As the Chair and Editor of the Broad Left Amicus Unity Gazette who helped defeat Sir Ken Jackson in 2002 Heemskerk and Warne always supported and defended the principle of elected Officers of the Union. That is why a Tribunal found that they had been unfairly dismissed from their jobs. This was part of a witchhunt to remove those who supported a principled left position from the leadership of the left.Against revision of historynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-67899465284948104992010-12-26T16:12:58.150+00:002010-12-26T16:12:58.150+00:00its time these bent officers were slung out of our...its time these bent officers were slung out of our union. they bring it into disrepute and are a disgrace. so much for being a lay member led union - pull the other one<br /><br />ElvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-28658331996216459502010-12-24T19:24:07.122+00:002010-12-24T19:24:07.122+00:00I understand Tate was Bayliss's driver through...I understand Tate was Bayliss's driver throughout his awful election campaign. Hall is also a Bayliss man. Both have no connection to UL or Len McCluskey. They both represent the corrupt side of Amicus that needs to be crushed and buried by the new leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-31837786195925879712010-12-24T18:29:53.565+00:002010-12-24T18:29:53.565+00:00In the TGWU the General Secretary didnt appoint of...In the TGWU the General Secretary didnt appoint officials. They were appointed by 3 members of the GEC. The GEC reps were elected.<br /><br />I havent a problem with that.Davehttp://www.unitetheunion.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-62519456555293239352010-12-24T17:54:48.990+00:002010-12-24T17:54:48.990+00:00No i think an academics job is to teach students a...No i think an academics job is to teach students and in a democracy students should be able to elect their teachers/tutors/professors.<br />Wake up! Your job is to read what people actually write and quite clearly your teachers failed probably due to the fact they were appointed and not elected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-54063409703615232642010-12-24T17:52:52.989+00:002010-12-24T17:52:52.989+00:00Anonymous comments.
No problem with that but pl...Anonymous comments. <br /><br />No problem with that but please consider leaving a name, it can be a made up one. It just makes the comments easier to read. <br /><br />To do this, where it says "Comment as:", chose "name/URL" from the drop down. You don't have to put in a URL. Note for officials: you don't even have to use the same name each time, you can use multiple ones. You can even try playing with abusive names ('try' being the key word there)david@dearunite.comhttp://www.dearunite.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7840982724694912248.post-28824777688117332702010-12-24T17:50:29.108+00:002010-12-24T17:50:29.108+00:00I think a union officials job is to organise membe...I think a union officials job is to organise members and not represent them. It a clear difference between a right wing moribund servicing model and a left wing organising model.<br /><br />Although when Warne and Heemskerk were appointed officials in cushy desk jobs getting fat of the back of members dues they neither represented or organised members. Kerching!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com